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Anyone know where the new Guidlines are on the net?

 
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Gherkin350
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:40 pm    Post subject: Anyone know where the new Guidlines are on the net?

Howdy, long time reader small time poster....
Hey guys, I now have the latest ASR and it tells me shit! I have moved to Sydney from Brisbane and am totally bamboozled with the so called "what you can do and what you can't do" comments. I NEED THE TRUTH!. Today I called a Pro rod builder (no names) and still coudn't get much except "Don't belive what you read its not in NSW yet"

Please help. I am halfway thru a 30 and am thinking I should move move back to QLD before I finish it.

Andy Webber.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:49 pm    Post subject:

Go through the old posts on this website and you will get quite a bit of info about the situation.

Apparently the "document" is in the hands of the State Govt, but it has yet to be posted to the website.

Blame that on govt bureaucracy and lazy web page builders.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:26 am    Post subject:

The NAtional Guidelines are just that - National - but individual states need their own jurisdictions to be pro-active in the take-up of the guidelines. This is the role that the states' TACs will play, to ensure that "inspectors" (be they TAC, Engineers or RTA staff, depending on each state's administration) accept the National Guidelines in their proper, intended context. Unfortunately, NSW has no such TAC, as they are only responsible for maintaining the concessionla rego system for hot rods in NSW. The "inspectors" of Hot Rod projects in NSW remain with the engineers, so individuals should take up the matter with their engineer.
I'm not sure what the beef is with Andy Webber, but getting a rod registered in NSW is already pretty easy. Get an engineer to pass it and you'll be OK. The only problem that arises is if you are building a repro chassis. In this case, in NSW, you are stuffed. You have to comply with today's ADRs.
I think that it will take some time before engineers in NSW will get around to adopting the National Guidelines. That's because they can't adopt them until the RTA says they can, and it's hard to find an engineer who gives a stuff. It's even harder to find rodders who give enough of a stuff to take up the challenge and head for the NSW RTA with the guidelines in hand.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:31 pm    Post subject: I got NO beef...choco

I am just concerned that I may employ an engineer with totaly diferent views to mine and this somewhat bothers me as my rod is allready underway. I have original chassis rails so I am confident It will be fairly easy to push it through. Just a quicky is there such a thing as "NSW engineers guidlines" I mean something they especially look for rather than there own peculiar taste of roadworthy/engineering? I know this can be a problem I have built and registered Streetrods in VIC and QLD and have come accross some pretty strange ideas. Things like demisters on roofless roadsters etc. Last thing I want to do is go to an engineer who thinks my steeling out is crap!

Andy.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:54 am    Post subject:

At the very least, NSW RTA sets the guidelines for engineers in the RTA's library document, the "Code of Practice For Light Vehicle Modifications".
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf

They also have a document that lists all the certified engineers.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles/downloads/vsi/vsi15.pdf

I called one a few months back (Peter Smith in Camden), gave him the details of the 36 Plymouth Coupe that I'm building, and he told me that, as long as I adhere to this document's guidelines, I will be fine. The last person I spoke to who had his model A tudor engineered by these guys about a year ago simply drove into his shed, they gave it a quick once-over, looked at his documentation (including a queensland engineer's report), took it for a drive, fixed one or two minor things on the spot, charged him $300 and signed off on a blue slip. He drove around the corner to a rego shop front and got his plates, drove back to Canberra.
As for the National Guideleines, the NSW RTA have adopted them, but they reserve their right to impose a few exemptions. They will not recognise a repro chassis as a "Modified Production" vehicle. The National Guidleines essentially rules out Individually Contructed Vehicles (ICV) because repro chassis are deemed "repairs" rather than replacements. The Nat. Guidelines also draw the ADR requirement at 1980 (I think) so things like PCV, unleaded fuel, 100db noise (NSW also claim exemption from this, stating the max noise as 92db) among other things.
The bottom line is, NSW is OK for original chassis. Find an engineer that other people have used. Go and talk to them, and be quite frank - tell them what you expect to be OK, after all, you are their customer! Get a copy of the Nat. Guidleines (either from the DOTARS Web site or from your TAC rep - good luck) and wave them under the nose of the engineer. NSW rodders will have to be fairly pro-active on this point. F'rinstance, the NSW code of practice has a formula for maximum engine displacement based on the weight of the original vehicle. While this isn't too restrictive, you'll have problems putting a blown 426 Hemi in a Model A, but the NAt Guidelines state that this is OK. Also, the NSW rules state that no matter what kind of car you have, it must be fitted with a heater/demister. What a load of shit! But the Nat. Guidleines state that, if it's not original equipment, it's not required. All of these things are small gains if you can get them. What I'm saying is, you may be able to mix and match the two codes. We won't know until we test them out. Be prepared to do the negotiating yourself, because, here in NSW, we have to relay on the certified engineers to get to the RTA, whereas other states have a dedicated TAC to do this on our behalf.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:56 pm    Post subject:

Excellent info Choco, I will be contacting some enginneers very soon, looks like I might stay in NSW for a while longer....see ya round.
Thanks Buddy.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:11 pm    Post subject: Engineer in NSW

Andy

I have used Phil Scott from Phil Scott Automotive on a couple of cars (not rods) and found him to be excellent, very pragmatic and sensible. He did the approval work on my supercharged GTS and also some work on new vehicle homologation. (imports)

I have also spoken to him about rod's and he has, I believe, the right idea.

You can contact him on 02 6647 7558 or 0412 339 242.

Of all the engineers I spoke to at the time I was researching rod's (or ICV's) he was way ahead of the field.

Let me know how you go.

Adam
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:30 pm    Post subject:

Thanks Adam he is now on my phone list. (love this website)


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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:39 pm    Post subject:

he is no longer in syd
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:18 pm    Post subject: He was going on a trip

Last I spoke to him he was going on a trip around Australia but I understood that he was planning on coming back.

He lives/lived on the North Coast but used to come to Sydney often enough to do work??

Do you know something different to this?

Adam
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