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old32
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:46 am    Post subject:

Carps’

Pick up a new ASRF Handbook.

American origin went out years ago, check page 17 & 18.

Now turn to page 19. Study the modifications list, that’s where the changes need to be made. We need that area to be changed, but until somebody who is into customs gets off their ass and comes up with a better list that's what your going to have to live with.

When classifying a car do you give it maximum points for each change? Or part thereof. I believe that if you make the change you get the points. Then it’s the job of the judges to mark according to difficulty.

It must be remembered that there will always be people who build a car to take advantage of the rules. You know this better than any of us Carps.

And I get a bit fed up with this attitude that because a Custom sits low the undercarriage detailing need not be as important because it’s hard to see. That’s why we have a trophy for “Best Displayed Vehicle”.

The ASRF caters primarily for pre 48 vehicles, like it or not, for changes to be made to Custom areas in the Handbook, Custom guys have to make themselves heard, through their clubs and their DC meetings. I have sat in on most DC meetings over the last God knows how many years, and have never seen any proposal put forward by the Custom side.
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:43 pm    Post subject:

old32 wrote:
Carps’

Pick up a new ASRF Handbook.

Yeah, mine is a little dated.

American origin went out years ago, check page 17 & 18.

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We need that area to be changed, but until somebody who is into customs gets off their ass and comes up with a better list that's what your going to have to live with.

Maybe I'm ready to try again.

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When classifying a car do you give it maximum points for each change?

For classification it need only be, is this modification made..yes or no. It then becomes the judges resonsibility to allocate points for each modification in respect of degree of dificultu, standard of finishe and even maybe asthetics. And yes, although that last one is purely subjective, if three people judge the same car and the final score is the average of all, then even a subjective call can be a reliable score.

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Or part thereof. I believe that if you make the change you get the points. Then it’s the job of the judges to mark according to difficulty.

Sorry, note to self: Read what is written before activating fingers.

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It must be remembered that there will always be people who build a car to take advantage of the rules.

Yup, and if the car meets the rules then it's in and there's no argument, not even from me.

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And I get a bit fed up with this attitude that because a Custom sits low the undercarriage detailing need not be as important because it’s hard to see. That’s why we have a trophy for “Best Displayed Vehicle”.

Mine were always amongst the best detailed cars in the shows they were ever entered. However, my point is that since the key motivation for a custom is the car's overall appearance, there's often less emphasis or imprtance placed on undercarriage detailing. Most customs are indeed very neat and clean in the undercarriage and underhood areas, just not to the level that is important to or typical of the best show cars or Street Machines (although I often wonder why these top Street Machines all appear to travel everywhere in enclosed trailers - but I guess that's a whole different discussion huh. )

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The ASRF caters primarily for pre 48 vehicles, like it or not, for changes to be made to Custom areas in the Handbook, Custom guys have to make themselves heard, through their clubs and their DC meetings.

Yes, I'll agree it's been a long time since I was at a DC meeting being shouted down simply because I was seeking a fair go for Customs

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I have sat in on most DC meetings over the last God knows how many years, and have never seen any proposal put forward by the Custom side.

That's coz we gave up and started our own movement, Kustoms Of Australia.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:17 am    Post subject:

Very interesting post hijack. A few years ago my FC picked up third in Mild Custom class at VHR show, and all that was done to that was mild flares and bluebird seats. I have another problem to add to the judging of customs. Heres an example.
A friend of mine has an EK (mini tubbed, lotsa mumbo & a few custom tricks:he himself calls it a street machine and definetly no trophy hunter). He put his car in the all Holden day and was beaten by a car with less modifications in the modified class(they don't have a custom class), reason being those judging the car weren't that familiar with the model (VSMA judges were used, he did discuss after the event this with the judges and they apologized for not noticing the subtle changes). He had modified the dash (removed speaker grill, smoothed dash a little), flatter than standard firewall but still factory looking & modified side trim (stops just past door, but still original), FB front sheetmetal, very subtle and very neat car. Not massive custom changes I know. Sounds almost good enough to get a custom trophy at the VHR show based on classification but is a street machine.
Now what happens when customs do get better classification, are the judges going to know if it has been changed or not. Even a list as suggested may not help if not familiar with that model. Because as we know a true custom is an improvement on an original and may well not be noticeable unless parked beside a stocker? As for radical customs very easy, anything else could cause just as much grief for owners. IMHO.
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Carps
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:40 am    Post subject:

Hey, welcome back from the honeymoon ya old married bugger.

Some good points there. I've always been bothered about the knowledge of judeges. Long time since I saw an ASRF judging sheet but that was an issue I used to like to discuss, simply because it was often clear that the judges did not always know exactly what they were looking at.
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