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nuckles
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:25 pm    Post subject: looking for wiring harness for bucket

Looking to buy a wiring kit from usa. Has anybody got one from os. and can you let me know.
I found this http://www.ezwiring.com/
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choco
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Location: Queanbeyan, NSW (on the ACT border)

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:30 am    Post subject:

The EZ Wiring harnesses get a bad rap from Skip Readio, an auto electrician/Hot Rod Journalist/have-a-chat that I respect and admire. He recommends Centech or Painless Wiring. I have used many Painless Wiring kits for my rods and other people's rods. They are expensive, but you get what you pay for. They are the best IMHO and the company is honest and reliable. EZ Wire are all black wires with markings on the wires. Centech and Painless (as well as Ron Francis) are all colour coded and marked. Painless also mark each wire with a circuit number (based on a GM system). Painless kits are pre-terminated at the fuse/relay panel.

There are two other similar wiring kits that are Australian made, and they advertise in ASR and Crusin'. I have asked both of them to supply me with one of their harnesses so I could do an evaluation on them for an article in ASR. They have not bothered to respond. Painless, however, supply me with whatever I need, so I am going to recommend that you contact their Australian supplier (American Auto Parts (02) 9746 1188) and get a 12 circuit universal harness. It should set you back about $500.
When you are ready to install it, you should READ THE FARGIN MANUAL!!!!
My book (Auto ELectronic Reference Manual) has quite a bit in the Wiring chapter on installing Painless wiring harnesses. In fact, a brain-dead reviewer on Amazon.com said I should be sued by Painless for copying their material! The fact is, I rewrote some of their instructions and data to be more easily understood (with their blessing, of course). But I digress....
Painless make harnesses with connections for GM/GMH/Ford/Mopar steering columns. They also make rear/trunk mounted kits, which are my favourite.
The installation process requires a lot of patience. Take your time, follow the instructions, make sure everything is neat and tidy and you will have a wiring system that will give you many trouble-free miles. Get yourself a ratchet crimper, some wire strippers and convoluted tubing.
DId I mention that you should READ THE FARGIN MANUAL first?
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Flatoz
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:52 pm    Post subject:

I second choco,

especially about reading the manual!!!!

and the tools and the time, lay it out and its will all be a ok.

I knew nothing about wiring, and managed to wire most of my 32, its trained monkey stuff, especially if you take your time, otherwise it could turn into a nightmare.
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KB23
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:29 pm    Post subject: Wirig harness for a bucket

Choco's right. Painless kits are excellent and include comprehensive and easy to follow instructions. Really hard to stuff it up using one of their kits.
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:02 pm    Post subject: choco

choco is allways right
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choco
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: choco

Anonymous wrote:
choco is allways right


No I'm not.
Hang on.......
Sorry, now that I think about it, I was wrong!
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FRANK BASILE
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:33 pm    Post subject:

An economical tip for "wire it yourselfers" Rip open existing wiring from wrecked vehicles,instead of buying the wire from suppliers.,eg in my current project ,I cut the loom at the driver,s kick panel and then removed the already taped up wires running down the vehicle to the back,this gives the usual tail/brake/rev light/fuel/ indicators.etc.I collected , admittedly from a couple of "surplus" early 80,s Commodores my son wrecked. Even at the self serve wreckers the cost is minimal,and if you are buying something else,and produce the wires,chances are they will give them to you,may seem a bit "scroogy"but that is the fun of building a rod to a budget.............Frank
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choco
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:00 am    Post subject:

FRANK BASILE wrote:
An economical tip for "wire it yourselfers" Rip open existing wiring from wrecked vehicles,instead of buying the wire from suppliers.,eg in my current project ,I cut the loom at the driver,s kick panel and then removed the already taped up wires running down the vehicle to the back,this gives the usual tail/brake/rev light/fuel/ indicators.etc.I collected , admittedly from a couple of "surplus" early 80,s Commodores my son wrecked. Even at the self serve wreckers the cost is minimal,and if you are buying something else,and produce the wires,chances are they will give them to you,may seem a bit "scroogy"but that is the fun of building a rod to a budget.............Frank


I used to do it that way, too. No matter how careful you are, however, you can't avoid shortening/lengthening wires, changing wire colours, piggy-backing, etc. in a Hot Rod project. In addition, factory harnesses are built for each model release, so different models have wires terminating, some have extra wires that go nowhere, some are a mystery. In a Hot Rod project, there may be circuits that carry more current than the factory donor harness was originally meant to handle. Fuses and fusible links are also bypassed in some cases, sometimes without you ever knowing. I have seen many home-built wiring jobs that were just a bunch of spaghetti, and only a few that looked neat and tidy. I also know of rodders who farmed out the electrical wiring to Auto Electricians. Most were "satisfactory" at best, and the average cost was around the $1,500 mark. For my money, I would never go back to the wrecking yard harness again, except for an EFI engine harness from, say, a Camira, simply because they come with the same sensors and plugs for a V8 project.
The grief you suffer when you get an electrical problem some time down the track is way too fierce, and it's almost guaranteed that you'll get a problem if you cut and shut a used wiring harness. I have installed Painless kits in 2 of my rods, and 3 other rods. None of them have ever had an electrical problem after years of work. Every car I know that has had a home made harness has had a problem. Years ago, I wired 3 rods using a cut-and-shut harness from a HT station wagon. They all had problems later on, and it took ages to chase the problem down. In most cases it was grounding, in one case the ignition wire was drawing too much current and frazzled, in others it was bad connections/joints. In a Painless harness, EVERY circuit is fused. The horn relay, indicator, emergency flasher, headlight breaker and all fuses are located in a central panel, either in the back or under the dash, with all wiring pre-crimped to it. A single fusible link (which is just a 60 Amp fuse in its own panel, called a Maxi Fuse) is also part of the kit, and all wires are teflon, not plastic, and rated for most Hot Rod applications. They also come with all high quality connectors, plugs and mounting hardware. Lastly, these kits can be neatly installed, sometimes almost completely hidden.
I understand the concept of building on a budget. I am no different to everyone else, and I'll always look for a less expensive way of doing something if it fits. But I will never compromise in this area, it's just not worth it.
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FRANK BASILE
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:51 pm    Post subject:

Choco,I myself would not use a transplanted harness for the reasons you outline,however I have wired previous vehicles from scratch using various coloured wires etc.The intent of my previous post was to point out that if you are a do it yourself person,the lengths of wire from a donor vehicle are cheap and usable,the wiring I referred to when cut from an early Commodore,is just a straight run of wires taped together with bare ends runing from the front to the back of the vehicle,this is in lieu of purchasing the lengths of various colours and taping them up myself,an uncomplicated short cut.This item can also be untaped and used as a scource of wires for other circuits [3-4 mtr lengths of wire]the gauge being suitable for most applications .My current ride [purchased] has been wired with one colour[red] all cable tied neatly together and wrapped ,a neat panel with a bank of unidentified relays and circuit breakers and I had a hell of a time sorting out what did what,[no labels]the vehicle used to cut out for no apparent reason at various times.One hot day she died and the cause was found to be no volts to the coil,I hot wired the vehicle to get us home,reconnected everything and she was ok,I ended up disconnecting the coil and substituting a load[driving light/s] with ign "on" after some time the light died,the end cause was a dodgy circuit breaker dropping out and resetting ,this circuit breaker was for the air con,and THE IGNITION SYSTEM was wired through it! I was flabbergasted,and rewired the ignition system...............Frank
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