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62slantsix
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:54 pm    Post subject: ICV

Hi all,

I really need any info anyone has in regards to getting a vehicle registered as an ICV. I understand i have to meet all ADR compliance up until the date of it being passed.

Is it possible and what sort of finances am i looking at to get it passed and more importantly has anyone done it recently.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Richard
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Brootal
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:23 pm    Post subject:

Try to track down the guys that do the Cobra kit cars. I'm pretty sure they're ICVs and have to go through all that stuff.

Otherwise, I'm sure there would be info on the the www.dotars.gov.au somewhere...

I had a quick look and couldn't find anything. You might be able to contact someone at the department who can point you in the right direction. Good Luck!
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:24 pm    Post subject:

I did an ICV a couple of years ago, in Victoria.
A 115kw Clubman.
Engineering cost about $700.00

At the time is had to comply with all the ADR's applying to the build date of the chassis. Chsassis had to be welded according to AUS Standards.

Had to meet ADS's for wincscreen, wipers and swept area, all lighting, noise emmisssions, EPA inlcuding CAT. Also dash padding, swithcees that do not protrude, labelling for switches and dash lights, calapsible steering column, labels for brake fluid, labels for tyre and wheel size. etc etc.

Did not require frontal impact testing, but needed a calculation for torsional stiffness, to suit engine power.

Engine required to be fitted with original computer to meet ADR for emission.

I understand, in Victoria, if you had started an ICV last year, and the build continued through to this year, then you could have complied with the some of the 1998 ADR's for engine emissions, but if it is started this year then you have to comply with the current rules. (don't quote me on this, but it came up in conversaion when I was talking to an engineer a month or so ago).

The way I understand the rules, is that you are building a current vehicle, so it has to comply with all current ADR's for chassis and body etc.

rgds

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:52 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for the replies.

AB, when you said the chassis had to be welded to AUS standards what did this involve - is it documented somewhere.

I am a very compotent welder however i have never bothered to get official recognition for it. Does it need to be welded buy somone with a welding certificate or trade???

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:27 pm    Post subject:

What are you building?
Maybe there's a way around the ICV classification?
Some engineers tell you your car is an ICV just to put you in the too hard bin.
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:37 pm    Post subject:

Basically there will be no way around registering it as an ICV:

Full tube spaceframe chassis using a supra irs and soarer ifs. Airbag suspension, lexus quad cam v8. Wheels will be 20x10 and 18x7

The body of the car will be a 62 s series valiant. With extensive mods. Interior will be custom built including power everything.

Project is started but if it is going to be near impossible to register i will just count my losses and go buy a pontiac parisienne and put the airbags in that.
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:39 pm    Post subject: ICV

Anyone have a Pontiac for sale for this bloke?
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AB
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:13 pm    Post subject:

Richard

Engineering requirements included a statement with respect to the long term durability of the fabricated, welded components, including chassis and Suspension parts.

Welding has been carried out to Australian Standard 1554.1 - 1985 (SAA Structural Steel Welding Code Part 1 - Welding of steel structures)

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:46 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for that AB

Another quick question if you don't mind me asking,

Did you do your own welding or did you get someone to weld it for you.

Reason i ask is i have most of my chassis built. I have completed all the welding myself (MIG), and like i said i am confident in my abilites.

I baught the standard you refered to and it states that it must be welded by a qualified welder or an engineer. I am in my 3rd year of an engineering degree so maybe that will do???
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:50 pm    Post subject:

62slantsix wrote:
Basically there will be no way around registering it as an ICV:

Full tube spaceframe chassis using a supra irs and soarer ifs. Airbag suspension, lexus quad cam v8. Wheels will be 20x10 and 18x7

The body of the car will be a 62 s series valiant. With extensive mods. Interior will be custom built including power everything.

Project is started but if it is going to be near impossible to register i will just count my losses and go buy a pontiac parisienne and put the airbags in that.


So there's no way of it being classed as a Modified Production Vehicle?? Might be a good idea to talk to some of the guys in the Northern Beaches club and see what they think.
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:56 pm    Post subject:

Brootal - nope cause it will have a full new chassis, with different suspension, different track and a different wheelbase. The onlything original about the car will be the basic shape of the shell of the car.

Do you have a contact for the northern beaches club???

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Richard
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:15 am    Post subject:

Meetings are held the second Tuesday of every month. People start getting there around 7:30 or so, but the meeting always seems to start at 8:32.

Send me an email and I'll fill in the details.

borisandsue@bigpond.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:41 pm    Post subject:

Richard

If your still studying, then why don't you get one of your lecturers to do an inspection and make a statment that it is welded according to the standard.

Maybew a slb would fix the problem.

Or get him to do one run of weld and then make the statement.

rgds

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:27 pm    Post subject:

My Mk2 Escort has a newly constructed custom built full chassis under it, with 18 x 9.5 and 17x7 wheels running a blown V8 up front, so I rekon it would be similar to your project.
Im getting around all the shite by registering it under the Street rod permit scheme, after all, it will only be driven on occasion to certain events anyway, so why pay big $$ for engineer with all the hassles of ADRs and rego every year?
I know certain people dont like this scheme (and/or the person/s involved), however used correctly it can be of great benefit.
Just a thought.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:59 pm    Post subject:

Mr Cool wrote:
Im getting around all the shite by registering it under the Street rod permit scheme


NFG for NSW. Must be Pre48
You guys are lucky if you can register post 48s under that scheme. Hell would have to freeze over before the SRC would accept that here.

Slant, the Val sounds like a great project but I'd avoid doing an ICV in this state at the moment, so maybe you would be better off with the Ponty afterall. Or why not put all that engineering into something like a rod. Much more kudos and a better financial investment IMO.
But then who am I to tell someone what to do with their time and money
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