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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2020 5:36 pm    Post subject: Con & Vic Rego

Why is it that in victoria our entire SR plate system is in the hands of one man?? What happens when Cons not around or is he emortal, some sort of god perhaps?? What happens if you've got a car you'd like to register and he dislikes you for what ever reason..could be grounds for discrimination I reckon. Does anyone else have anything to say on this topic??
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am    Post subject:

Hello Mr. X,
I can understand why you do not want to identify yourself. And you're probably not the first to have asked this question, as I have heard some ask it before. These are usually the people who don't know Con personally or who have not taken any of their precious time to find out. They are also the same people who are only too quick to criticise others, but won't get off their arse and do anything themselves.

But before we go off on another witch hunt, let me just pose a few questions for you to answer.
Who was it that got this scheme up and running in the first place?
What role did you play in this?

Who has spent countless hours over many years talking to our public servants at VicRoads?
How often have you represented yourself or other rodders, in any capacity?

Who has made themselves available, at all hours and days to administer the scheme and checking cars.
What have you done to assist the scheme, are you a member of the ASRF? Or the TAC?

Who else has the time, money and influence to do it?
Are you putting your hand up?

Do you now feel qualified to question the dedication of others?

Unless you have some specific case or incident to put forward, I'd suggest you let it rest. What ever you do don't go away angry, put it to good use, but be constructive.

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I don't use the scheme and I'm not a fan of it because I think that it's playing into the Government's hands to the point where eventually all rods will have to be on SR plates, then when it suits them, they will simply remove the scheme. No more Rods.

I will happily (almost) pay nearly $500 a year to drive my rod where and when I want and not be restricted by imposed dates and/or boundaries.

I'm also not impressed with some of the cars that are now wearing SR plates as I was led to believe the scheme was for rods exclusively. However I am also not party to the reasons why these cars have sought or been directed to the SR scheme, so I can't make a judgement.
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Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2020 1:13 am    Post subject: hmmm

all i can say is after talking to con on the phone about s.r reg ,weird.according to him your rod must have twin wipers ok fine,and your exhuast must stay within the chassis rails fine also,but go to a run and see a new rod with new s.r plates and guess what a set of wayout header pipes,and no wipers,so what gives .oh by the way have been in motor trade for years doing roadworthys on cars and rods,also have had many rods .oh and it turns out the rod was presented in this form too,he didnt make the changes after inspection,its bad enough to be given the run around by engineers that dont know there stuff,let alone other people who can change there own rules.many new rodders are caught in traps of mis information,red tape and rumours that eventually make them give up,and sell there prodjects,but not before they have pulled all there hair out,and another thing dont praise the a.s.r.f either,they dont give a hoot about there members only money,i joined them at one stage and they sent me my membership card,on the same week it expired,
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Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject:

This rod that you saw, it wouldn't have been yellow and of the bowtie persuasion?

I have a genuine interest in your frustration and I'm curious as to whether it's having to run wipers and inside exhaust that's go you so tuned up or is that you think Con's is picking on you and your car and is making things up as he goes along.

First of all, I'm not here to justify the actions of Con or the SR plate scheme, but you would know yourself that there are so many variations now with street rods as to what they have to comply to. ie
steel body, original chassis - ADR's for things that are modified
steel body, new chassis - current ADR's
fiberglass body, original chassis - ADR's for things that are modified
fiberglass body, new chassis - current ADR's
that it would be very difficult to have exactly the same reg's apply for two rods, especially if you include body mods like chopping and channeling.

It's also hard to determine what was actually said or happened at the best of times. People may tell you this or that, but they tend to put their own twist on things. I try to get the facts from source, rather than a rumour from a friend of a friend. Maybe he didn't make any changes, maybe he did.

I know how hard it can be to "talk" to Con, he is a fairly unique individual. But did you ask him why he won't let you run outside exhausts?
Is it mentioned in the guidelines? The regulations may have changed. Things like wipers and running fenderless are part of conditional registration which I understand is part of the SR scheme (but I could be wrong), so you need to find out from Con why this only effects you.

Regardless of all of this is the fact that whether your on full rego or SR rego, your rod is supposed to be roadworthy even if you don't have to actually have a RW certificate for SR reg.

As far as engineers go, I got burned when build the Chev, the guy I had been recommended to shot through with my $600 deposit (and a lot of other peoples money as well). I'm sure a lot wiser now. I don't know who your engineer is or how far down the track you are with your project but I can supply a list of VICROADS approved engineers if you like, plus recommend one or two. I know how frustrating it can be and there are so many rumours. When I was build the Chev, it was that there was to be no more street rods registered, I was shitting myself as the car was virtually finished and it was only after talking to Jim Davin (State Director at the time) that I was happy to continue.

So the best thing you can do when building a rod is talk to as many people as you can, or more importantly listen to their stories and hopefully learn from their mistakes. And that is the whole idea of having this forum in the first place.
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Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2020 2:51 pm    Post subject:

I know each state has there unique criteria for registration but there also appears to be similarities in relation to original vs repo in both states. Even engineers seem to have different interpretaions on the rules. It would seem a good idea to get a few egineers to give guidance and if you follow the clues by them you should have no problems in getting it registered or on club plates. Armed with an engineers report it will force the hand of most obsticles....even he who issues club plates.


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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2020 1:25 am    Post subject: rego

my latest rod right from the start ,was to comply with all adrs applicable to its age,steel body and original chassis as i entend to put it thourgh on full rego,according to adrs if you have full vision over your windsreen ,unobstructed view,you dont have to have wipers,so who is right. that is just one example of how things get twisted .another example ,a man restores a vintage car,he also does a common conversion updating to hydrolic brakes,the vintage car goes through rego no problems,ok,the same guy does a hydrolic update to his a model ford will he have to see an enginner?see this is how things get out of wack,see restorers have been doing mods to there cars forever and it is not questioned,as soon as you say hot rod or modification,the problems start to arize.ok back to the issue no the car in question is not yellow or a chev more like blue and a ford,i myself did not run an exhaust over the rails i already know that cannot be done without a lot of hassle.my exhuast runs inside the rails ,con just said that it had to run inside the rail fine by me.as far as wipers go. i follow the adrs.that say i dont have to have them, victoria rta has changed to path to engineers guidence,and called it the vess or vass system,have not seen the list so i cannot say who is on it,i agee with greg that sr rego plays into the hands of gov .see the more confusion over rego the better for them too no skin off there nose,stops people building rods eh.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2020 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: hmmm

mrs x wrote:
and another thing dont praise the a.s.r.f either,they dont give a hoot about there members only money,i joined them at one stage and they sent me my membership card,on the same week it expired,


Whenever I see comments like this, it gets my hackles up. The ASRF is NOT some office building in the middle of the city. There is no high flying CEO in charge, just a group of rodders representing their states. These people are ordinary Hot Rodders making an effort to manage and maintain the NATIONAL BODY FOR RODDING in this country. For this reason alone, every rodder should be a member, whether they think the ASRF is run by fools or not. If, at any time, state or federal governments want to dip their fingers into the Australian Hot Rodding pie, only our NATIONAL BODY will be recognised by the pollies. Maybe you think the FHVA could do a better job? They sure have done the historic vehicle owners proud. The bottom line is that our representatives at the national level listen to the voices of rodders around the country and, based on those voices, make decisions. In addition, they manage the funds which pays for public liability insurance for sanctioned events, the nationals, insurance for TAC members in all states and territories, the newsletter and the day to day operation of ASRF HQ, among other things. A group of like minded members, under the ASRF umbrella, sacrifice a huge chunk of their life to put the Nationals on every 2 years, not to mention the regional events.
Professional whingers who have some kind of axe to grind forget that the people they criticise have sacrificed their own time and put in the effort for free, for the love of our hobby. If you think you can do a better job, you must be a part of it before you can make a change. By being a part of it, you might - just might - appreciate the work that these people put into it, then, and ONLY then, maybe you can offer some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
In my opinion, if you are not prepared to support your national body, then you are not qualified to make judgements on its operation. If you can't do that, you should go buy a Honda Civic and get out of MY hobby.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2020 12:44 pm    Post subject: Thanks Choco

Your exactly right in what you say and the big problem is that there are not enough people who are prepared to stand up and be counted come election time.
Forget the National body, what about your local club. When was the last time you (this is the collective you as I cast my eyes out the window) (well I do work on the 21st floor!!) put your hand up for a committee position or helped organise a rod run or cruise? You really just don't know what you are missing out on. Some of the best times I've had have been on committee. It doesn't have to be all pomp and ceremony, we go out of our way to make sure is a good time. And there is nothing better than to have spent 12 months of your hard earned lesuire time organising a rod run, than standing at the exit gate on the Sunday and hearing all those thank you's and AHoo-GAA's as some very happy rodders head home.

Then there are those lone wolves who just can't be f@#ked joining a club, they really don't know what they are missing out on. All right you may say you have a group of mates or you can't make meetings of what ever other bullshit excuse. But the fact is if you want to do something, you will find a way. (Ahh, finally got that off my back)

Having said all that, a lot of what we have been talking about is communication. For the ASRF this is mainly through the DC meetings (when was the last time you went to one of those) and the newsletter.
Also through the website, which I just happen to manage.
I'll be putting a postup about this shortly.

I'd just like to thank Mr. X for putting his piece and I look forward to hearing from other rodders in the future, what ever you have to say.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2020 1:38 pm    Post subject: Real Rodders

Greg, I was with you all the way when you took up the challenge of the ASRF Web site. Like yourself, I have been on the organising committee (3 times as coordinator) of one of the most successful rod runs on the east coast, the CRAKK run. I have been president of the organising club (the CHRA) a few times and been a member since its inception in 1983. I have also been a card carrying member of the ASRF since 1974, helped on 2 Nationals committees as well as a ton of other activities and associations.
I have seen a lot of good rodders get burnt out from the crap that gets fed to them from professional whingers. I have decided to take a back seat for a while, because I, too, have had enough. But I will always defend the ASRF and its role as our national hot rodding body, and will always support clubs and individuals that offer support and strength to our hobby. I suppose my motivation is that I must play my part in PROTECTING our hobby. How often is it that we see outrageous laws or (as they should properly be called) ridiculous acts of administration? How do you feel about windscreen demisters for T Buckets? What's the go with 80db of noise from a small block in a hot rod being too loud? How come a 4 inch top chop in a 34 coupe is too much when a XD falcon offers less headroom? It's a culture that has bred and blossomed throughout our bureaucracy, yet we still get these wankers in our own ranks that do nothing but bitch and whinge to the very people that are doing their damdest to keep our hobby alive! I know that some individuals have a problem with the "control" that they perceive the ASRF wants over the hobby, and I know of at least one that I would consider a friend who feels that way, but he doesn't hold back when it comes to support for the hobby. We may agree to disagree on many things, and I know that one day I will eventually wear him down because he is a smart man and is reasonable. But it's the pig headed red-necks that really get me going. Despite having all the facts spelled out to them, they still go on berating hard working individuals whose only thought is the protection and growth of the concept of old cars that go like the clappers.
This thread started out as one that had something to say about unfair rego rules and how a section of this country's rodders addressed those rules. I can honestly say that the only way we can get a fair deal is to work together, communicate among ourselves effectively and fairly, be tolerant of each other's views and NEVER bite the hand that feeds you. Sure, offer suggestions on ways to improve things, but first you have to be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. If certain people refuse to see it that way, then all they will be is a french letter on the prick of progress.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2020 5:43 pm    Post subject:

Shees!! have you guys gone off the the track!! all I asked was why is one guy responsible fot SR plates in vitoria, All this stuff about the asrf, oviously Mrs X got bunt by them when she needed help and you guys have taken the bull by the horns and gone for the throat ...calm down rover!!
I can see a problem with bias and predjuce if it's left up to one persons opinion regardless of what time Cons put into setting up the SR plate scheme which we all appreciate or at least I do, Lets face it we wouldn't have the privlege of driving our almost roadworthy cars on the road at a discounted cost without his persistance and perserverance I'm NOT having a go at Con so get off your soap box Greg. Read what I wrote what happens if he get sick who's going to administer the scheme?
Professional whinger? isn't a professional someone who gets paid?


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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2020 8:28 am    Post subject:

Mr(s) X.....

I included a quote of your posting in my previous reply. If you choose to make comments like that, expect a rebuttal. The theme of your original post was one that is common across the country - we have a similar situation in the ACT. A good Hot Rod Rego scheme, a great TAC, but only one person capable (or willing) to address the issues with rego staff. If he gets run over by a bus, we are in rego "no man's land", although I would like to think that there are a few who would raise their hands to take over the reins. Unfortunately, when it comes down to fighting for your Hot Rodding rights (remember, this is a democracy and we are all free to drive the car of our choice) it's the handful of dissenting wannabe rodders that are the fly in the ointment. Don't take this personally, but I've been involved at the "pointy end" of rodding across Australia and in the US (where we lived for over 2 years) since the 70's. I have observed that the single, most important thing that keeps our hobby alive is SUPPORT for the institutions that show the way ahead. If you are pre-disposed to the politics of rodding, it's these institutions and individuals that take care of it for you. If you have difficulty getting your car legally registered the way you want it, there are steps you can take (and compromises you can make) with the assistance of people like Con and institutions like the TAC, which comes under the ASRF banner. The bureaucracy likes to deal with individuals, not groups. But these individuals have clubs, organisations and the ASRF behind them.
Mrs X may once have had a "problem" - but it sounds like you joined at a time when the state's fees were due. A simple phone call to the State Director or the ASRF Secretary would have solved the problem, I'm sure. My point was that these people are ordinary rodders like you and me, except for one small factor - they are serving us to the best of their ability, for free, they are volunteers. Sure, the secretary gets a salary, but she is running the HQ as a full time job. She is, however, a well respected, long time hot rodder in her own right.
Maybe Greg was a little "candid" in his initial reply, but that's because he is closer to the subject than you or I at the moment. Just trust me when I say that people like Greg put a huge amount of effort into rodding that is far removed from just working on his car in his garage. Just reflect a moment on what it takes to make Hot Rodding the enjoyable, rewarding and satisfying hobby that it is before you criticise. Also note that Greg and I have our identities out there for all to see, including email addresses and phone numbers. Your posts have been anonymous.
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2020 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Thanks Choco

gregwapling wrote:


Then there are those lone wolves who just can't be f@#ked joining a club, they really don't know what they are missing out on. All right you may say you have a group of mates or you can't make meetings of what ever other bullshit excuse. But the fact is if you want to do something, you will find a way. (Ahh, finally got that off my back)




I wrote a lengthy response to this Greg but decided I shouldn't have to justify why I am a "Lone Wolf"...all I'll say is I know what I'm missing out on and so do my mates, many are still in clubs....and yeah, we do belong to the ASRF and I defend it at every chance against its critics. So to avoid being branded a whinger, I'll keep my opinions and comments to myself...as all Lone Wolves should.

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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2020 12:42 pm    Post subject:

Don't get Mrs X confused with me!! That's someone who replied to my post about con and rego, which I thougth was a reasoable question to ask and NOT critisim or at least not ment to be, maybe I need to choose my words more carefully in the future, and yes I'll stay annomous it's my democratic right to free speach, so choco you can get stuffed on that comment
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2020 12:49 pm    Post subject:

Mr.X wrote:
and yes I'll stay annomous it's my democratic right to free speach, so choco you can get stuffed on that comment
Mr X


Point taken. Anonymity, however, does not engender credibility, and you didn't have to close with a parting shot telling me to get stuffed. I got the message.
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2020 11:06 pm    Post subject: Lone Wolves

G'Day Pep,
please don't get me wrong I'm not saying everyone has to join a club. I'm sure we've all been members of clubs before where there has been other agendas or egos at play and it not fun at all. But I've also heard some pretty crap reasons as to why these guys aren't in a club. Maybe thats just life's natural selection process. I was really thinking of the younger rodders out there, the one's who are building or looking to buy a rod and are crying out for assistance. Not the older, be there, done that seasoned rodder. Maybe we should call them "sly old foxes" instead of "lone wolves"

I'm asuming your an individual member of the Federation, Im interested, do you consider that value for your individual membership? Especially with voting and representation stacked against the individual member.
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