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Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 4:54 pm    Post subject: Engineers Certificate

I have been lurking around here for a while and found the information exchanged on this forum to be quite useful. I have used bits and pieces during the construction of my 34 Roadster. This brings me to the reason for the post. In the 8 years it has taken me to complete my rod there have been all sorts of discussions regarding registration and engineering reports. Thinking I was doing the right thing I employed an engineer at the start of the project to advise on the method of construction to ensure full rego at completion. About 5 years ago I finished the chassis and had the engineer issue a report on the chassis to confirm it was acceptable. About 6 months ago I completed the rod and was very happy with the results. I contacted the engineer to get the final inspection done only to be told that he had been struck of the list of approved engineers. OK I thought, at least my chassis report is still valid as he was an approved engineer at the time of issue. How wrong can you be!. I then got onto the Vic Roads website and found the list of VASS approved engineers and started ringing them. I find out now that they all want to classify the rod as an IC vehicle not re-bodied original vehicle. The rod is built on an original chassis with the usual mods like tube type engine cross member, HR front end and modified centre ďXĒ member to accept the C4 trans. The body is a fiberglass unit from Deuce Customs. According to the information obtained from one engineer the chassis should contain the majority of itís original cross member. Mine has had the front and rear cross members removed and replaced with HR cross member at the front and RHS cross member at the rear to attach shocks to. If itís classified as an IC car then I need to comply with a heap of ADRís that I didnít intend to initially, like unleaded fuel, etc. Iím running straight gas as I intended doing a lot of driving and wanted something economical. I have sought advice in a couple places like the local hotrod club and also Con and both advise to go SR rego. I donít want to go SR rego as I want to be able to drive it when and where I want.

Iím just wondering if anybody can advise me where to turn to now as Iím about to give up and sell it, much to my wifes discussed.

Cheers

Dave.
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 6:50 pm    Post subject: Engineers certificate

Surely this can't be true What about the National rego scheme, I thought these new rules were supposed to eliminate most of the run-around with this Especially with an original chassis, there must be hundreds of rods running around with holden front ends, unless there is something drastically wrong with the set up or construction.

Maybe one of the Vic blokes can help with an engineer's name.
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 8:47 pm    Post subject:

Crying or Very sad I was looking forward to seeing some posts about how the National Guidelines made getting full rego easer. Can you list some of items that got knocked back, or is it just the fact it is a glass body and no original cross member?

I had a look at the guidelines and could find no mention of retaining original x members.

I understand that the new guidelines are just a guide to building a rod but whatís the point if you build to those guidelines and it wonít pass?

I would of thought Con and others would want to see that if it fits the guidelines it passes?

ďgo for club regoĒ donít do it for me at all, I want to be able to drive my rod when it suits me.

I am using a reproduction A chassis made from pressed rails the same dimensions as an original A chassis but with a steel body (cab).

I hope after a short time the guidelines would be used by engineers to afford full rego. If not what a big waste of time.
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 10:10 pm    Post subject:

Dave can you provide where you are based.
What you have describe I cant see anything wrong with.
What I think you may need is a engineer that is switched on.
I can provide you with a engineers name thats worth having a talk to.

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Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 10:30 pm    Post subject:

dave all i can suggest is you go to the post about new national guidelines print all 89 pages like i did and shove it under the engineers nose paying particular attention to page 5 that should pull their head out of the sand or you could ring Dr Gray Scott at Vic Roads as he was one of the people who nutted out these guidelines
good luck and keep us posted chris
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 10:46 pm    Post subject:

Dave hereís a link to the new Guidelines-

http://www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/vsb/Street_Rod_Manual.aspx

please let us know how you go.

Ps. How about signing up with the board so we know whoís who.
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 12:44 pm    Post subject:

Dave ,do not give up after all the work has been done.Cyber has forwarded a suggestion. In fact it would be good to see as a follow up now on this site ,rodders forwarding recommended signatories they have used, with favourable results, that deserve our business.We are in a competative world of consumerism,let them compete for our "dollar votes".And let,s steer clear of the pedantic.I use another situation for example,LPG conversions. From the early 90,s they required compliance,it makes sense for safety reasons.I tried getting compliance on an older conversion after updating to the latest standard and going from dual fuel to straight gas/having the tank re certified etc to get the reply "we only do those we convert".I found someone who would in the end,he had some requirements he would like to see[shielding issue],I said ok. compliance granted.He gets my business,no more stuffing around.........Frank.
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 1:40 pm    Post subject: Certificate

Thanks for the responses guys.

I am in the process of going through the guidelines at the moment and according to them there is no reason why my rod shouldn't be acceptable as far as the chassis goes. All the engineers I approached were not aware of the guidelines and would not work from them. It may be a case of approaching the wrong engineers as Cyber600 mentioned.
I live in Beaconsfield area which is in Melbourne's south east.

Spark, I will sign up to the board but I may not be able to contribute too much as I don't get onto the internet that often. I would however be happy to help others out if I could.

Frank, I agree with your comments however due to the limited number of VASS engineers I have found that they can be selective as to which jobs they take and which they donít. Every engineer I spoke to told me they should not be talking to me or should be charging for the time as they were too busy. One engineer doesnít even answer the phone. He just has a recorded message stating his is booked out until whenever, which at the time of calling was three months ahead.

I too struck the same when getting my gas compliance certificate, luckily I found a top bloke willing to sign it off for me, at a price.
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 3:12 pm    Post subject:

Hopefully guest, out of this we may see some names pop up for you,I will have the same search when my current build is complete,my gas compliance set me back $200 ,it was done on site at my son,s place of employment [automotive workshop] ,included in this was ,price,I think from memory $45 for the ignition activity detector which times out the gas supply when engine stops in a crash situ,he supplied this on first inspection,I fitted it that night at home,as well as some heat shielding for the converter,returned the vehicle and it was okay,d for comliance.....Frank.
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 9:07 pm    Post subject:

Sorry, I didnt post sooner I have been very busy,
anyhow the engineer that several of the guys have used is based in ballarat, he is pretty switched on I have spoken to him several times. He actually does quite a few rods and from the feedback we have gotten he does his job well.

Robert Williams
Mob 0427 058 224

I will definetly be using robert to get mine vehicle on the road.
We where informed that alot of the engineers where not interested in doing rods any more so a willing engineer is starting to be hard to find.

good luck but I dont think you'll need it.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 10:12 am    Post subject:

That,s what we need Dave,the ball is rolling,now we need names for other areas ,any more contributions suggesting sensible or rod friendly signatories are welcome,one issue of concern Dave is the exclusion of rods with some of these people,the Vass lists classify the vehicle catagories the signatory deals with,if they deal in LV,S then discrimination comes into play...................Frank.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 10:47 am    Post subject: Engineers certificate

In Canberra I've used Ray Spence, Canberra Motor Works 6241 5600, for the Buick and he's about to do my T Bucket in accordance with the new Guidelines. A few other rodders in the area have used him and he seem's fair in what he asks and charges.

Cheers and beers
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 4:41 pm    Post subject:

Cyber 600 you hit the nail on the head. I went to get Roberts card, then
scrolled down further and found what you said.
Guest, by all means give Robert a call. He passed my car, no probs, and I've got a glass body. The body should not be an issue.
New guidlines, not much help if knowone knows how to use them.
Please don't jump on me, I know a lot of work went into them, but now
the people who need to know about them should. That means - rego
people, roadworthy people, engineers and US.

Oh yeah, hear in Vic, an engineer means jack shit unless he is VASS
approved.
Good luck guest. All is not lost though, I am confident you will be
cruizn before to long.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 9:05 pm    Post subject:

I didnt put his VASS number but it is there on his card. What I like about Robert is I found him to be realistic, and was willing to do things via email or sending a CD full of digital pics. Which is what I'll do with him I'll initially get everything organised, do the chassis mods when I get around to finish everything) get the digi camera out do some finely detailed shots put them on a CD and send it to him to get it acceptance. This way everyone saves time and I dont have to travel to ballarat or him come to me. I dont mind once the whole chassis is done and the car is complete that fine by me i fI have to see him in person but just dont wish to chase him after I do some and need to get it checked.

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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 9:47 am    Post subject:

If you are in Melbourne's south east you can try
Colin Young in Braeside on 9580 3024
he did the certification on Jo's Studebaker no troubles
At the Rego office in Clayton the inspector saw Colins name on the certificate and said they have no problems with his work.
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