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Small Block Chevy in an Alfetta GTV?

 
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Faust
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 10:57 am    Post subject: Small Block Chevy in an Alfetta GTV?

I was recently followed home by a 1979 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV, that didn't run. I have pulled the motor and thrown it away. Now I am considering my alternatives. I have heard that there was an Australian outfit that fit these with small block Chevies in a mid engine configuration. Does anyone know anything about these? I have also heard that an Australian outfit makes a transmission adapter to mount an SBC in the Alfa roadster, any truth?
Here in the US of A, Alfas are sacrosanct. No one knows much about serious modifications.
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 11:22 am    Post subject:

Thats news to me...but there is a racing class called modified sports that had one set up with a SBC. That was a complete fabricated chassis though. Basically an Alfa body..the rest was hand built....I'll poke around and see what I can come up with.


Here is the only pic I could find...still no street Alfas/Chev to be found

http://www.savicmotorsport.com.au/photogallery/wintonkonica2003/pages/Sports%20Sedans-Tony%20Ricciardello-1.htm
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Flatoz
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 11:25 am    Post subject:

bcal,

this one is all yours

but try

www.alfaclub.org.au
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 12:41 pm    Post subject:

Pep - Looked at the link. Doesn't look to me that the hood (do you guys say "bonnet") could close over an SBC. Maybe that is the one I heard about. Wouldn't need those rear tires with the V-6 either.

FlatOz - are Stromberg 97's still available down under?
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 2:38 pm    Post subject:

yep, still have a few
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 3:32 pm    Post subject:

I think you may be referring to

http://www.giocattolo.com.au/

The giocattolo was a Holden V8 not SBC in a GTV6.

I note that you are from the USA so to explain this is/was the local GM V8 from around 68 through to 98.

There were some very potent versions of this car including one with twin turbos called JUDGE which was involved in an unfortunate accident at Eastern Creak killing the Owner/Creator.

http://www.twinturbov8.com/index.html

Hope this helps.

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bcal
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 3:54 pm    Post subject:

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bcal,
this one is all yours

No I'm the idiot that puts Italian running gear into yank cars, not the other way round.

I think Mal has given the best leads here.
The transaxle isn't Alfa. They'd be way too long and probably wouldn't handle the horses anyway.

Try a post at http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums and see how you go but don't expect a good reception from some of the alfisti purists.

Good luck
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2020 10:03 pm    Post subject:

Ah, small world Faust.
I knew there was a string at the alfabb on this subject and I see you've already been discussing this topic there.
As you can see some of them get a bit hot under the collar about using non alfa running gear.
I'd like to use the V6 running gear in my next rod. They look like a sidevalve with 2 pots missing.
The bodies on these cars are extremely strong and they have good tortional rigidity so a V8 conversion should work well.
That is until they rust out
I've heard of some here in Oz with 302s and 9" rears in them tho I'm yet to see one.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2020 1:05 am    Post subject:

Faust

Back in 1985 I did a twelve month course at a Sydney technical college and the instructor was extensively involved in the Giocattolo project. He showed us lots of photos and gave us a running commentary on the progress of the car through the year.

There was no shortage of engineering problems but apparently the car did eventually work and I would imagine the company failed more for economic reasons than anything else. It was probably one of those cases where it would have been a good project for a one off conversion where you are not counting your own labour costs but not quite so good if you are planning on selling as many as possible for a profit and having to provide service, warranties and spare parts back up.

The engine definitely was a 308 Holden. Not sure about the transmission but we have a company here called the Castlemaine Rod Shop http://www.rodshop.com.au/transmissions.htm and they make an adapter to bolt a Chev onto a Renault R30 transaxle. Surely there would be a suitable transaxle in the Porsche range as well.

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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2020 3:32 pm    Post subject:

Malcolmsp wrote:
I think you may be referring to

http://www.giocattolo.com.au/

The giocattolo was a Holden V8 not SBC in a GTV6.

I note that you are from the USA so to explain this is/was the local GM V8 from around 68 through to 98.

There were some very potent versions of this car including one with twin turbos called JUDGE which was involved in an unfortunate accident at Eastern Creak killing the Owner/Creator.

http://www.twinturbov8.com/index.html

Hope this helps.

cya
Mal



Dunno...looks like 2 different cars to me...even the names of the owners aren't the same....I know that the one I'm referring to is a SBC and its set way back...I know that as I saw the whole front of the body come off during a race and he kept on going......
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Malcolmsp
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2020 5:58 pm    Post subject:

Pep,

You are not making this easy at all:

http://www.stuckey.com.au/new/news/sports%20sedan.htm

is another picture of Ricciardello's SBC in a GTV.

Not really a street car where the Giocattolo was.

Anything can be put into anything with the right shoe horn I guess and if they got a Holden to fit a Chev would not be that hard.

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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2020 10:23 pm    Post subject:

I have seen the Brian Smith/Tony Ricciardello Chev/Alfa race on numerous occassions at Barbagallo Raceway as I'm a WA local (as most of you know ).

As a mate of mine who crews on an Appendix J car says... "It's a bloody drag car that goes around corners!". The thing is awesome in a straight line and barely slows down for corners.

As far as it being an Alfa... I don't even know if there's any of the original sheet metal left on it. The whole thing is practically fibreglass wrapped around a tube chassis. Awesome to see, hear and watch.



That #1 is practically a permanent fixture on that car.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:24 pm    Post subject:

The Giocattolo was based on a smaller alfa, I cant remember what the name of them is though. I believe they were based on the sunshine coast, queensland. The car even came with a tiny bottle of bundy rum in the tool kit!
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2020 4:43 pm    Post subject:

Giocattolo was based on the front wheel drive Alfa Sprint, a sporty 2door coupe version of the alfa-sud which looked similar to the Alfetta GTV. Used the same Holden 304 twin throttle body injected motor as was in the VL group A. The transmission was a (very expensive) ZF transaxle similar to that used in mid engined cars like the De Tomaso Pantera. They only ever made a handfull of these cars in the very late 80's before the enterprise went bust.

I think a 4L Lexus V8 would be more suitable in an Alfetta than a sb chev, all alloy therefore lighter & the Alfa transaxle would be more likely to live with the torque output of a 4Litre motor rather than 5.7+ litres.
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2020 7:12 pm    Post subject:

I was reading a thread on another forum recently where a bloke was considering putting a sidevalve Ford into a Fiat 125
I also read another where a guy was considering a 2L alfa for a mid fifties dodge
The best thing is to just work over the Alfa 3L V6, they go like stink and there's much less engineering involved.
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