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spark
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Joined: 13 Jun 2021
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Location: Lakes Entrance Victoria, Australia

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2021 12:16 pm    Post subject: 31 pickup with......

I'm having second thoughts about putting a 302 in my 31 closed cab pickup.

I was thinking maybe a Escort 2 ltr.

icon_arrow.gif the argument for the 2ltr-

more room in engine bay for steering set up
don't have to recess fire wall
use early Torana rear and LX discs on the front
easier to fit in small engine bay
more exceptable to the engineer?

icon_arrow.gif the argument against the 2ltr

Its not a V8
harder to find dress up gear
must keep engine bay closed (to hide uncool 4 cylinder)
no cool V8 rumble
I have a 302 Windsor & C4

Please talk me out of it .......I love the look of a fully dressed and detailed V8 but the 4 cylinder will solve a lot of clearance problems.

What I have to work with-
1930-31 Ford closed cab pickup ( will be channelled 4 inches but the roof will not be chopped)
Model A boxed chassis, RodTech independent front suspension (not fitted to chassis yet)

will run 32 grill, bonnet and side covers, cycle type front guards and short tub.

is a 2ltr Escort - Cortina a good motor to get parts/hot up gear for?

please let me know your thourghts good or bad.
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hoted2
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2021 1:06 pm    Post subject:

what about a v6 should give u lots more room
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bcal
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Location: The Shire, Sydney

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2021 2:08 pm    Post subject:

Spark.
Here's some advice from some-one than owns a four cylinder rod.
Although your rod may weigh as much if not less than it's modern four cylinder counterpart it does however compare badly in the area of aerodynamics. You're going to need plenty of torque to push it along at highway speeds.
My rod is a 28 roadster fitted with an Alfa twin cam and weighs just 880kg. It has reasonable torque due it's relatively long stroke (88x80mm)and it has plenty of poke thu the gears. Even still, I consider it just adequate for highway driving. In a heavier fully fendered car it would be a dog. With a four cylinder Ford it would be even worse.
Another factor to concider is that even though we like to kid ourselves that this sport is based on individualism there are still plenty of rodders out there who find it hard to accept a four banger rod. I've lost count of the number of times blokes have come up to me and said " nice rod but !!!!" or "the only thing that spoils this rod is !!!!". And thats just the polite ones.
You may be thick skinned enough for this not to bother you but one day you may want to sell you pride and joy and then you'll discover that the resale value of a rod is often directly proportional to the number of it's cylinders.
So my advise is. If you want to build a four cylinder rod, do something that's different. At least you'll get some credit for that.
For the 31 pickup go for the 302. Plenty of guys have shoe horned them into A's before so you won't find it too hard. Then at least you'll be accepted into the crowd, have that nice V8 rumble and plenty of grunt for the highway.
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fc ute
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Location: perth western australia

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2021 11:22 pm    Post subject:

it all comes down to if you can afford to run it. will it be a daily driver?
the 27 t tudor i am doing i have opted for a commodore v6/t700 combination as it will get driven everyday and i want it to be reliable as well as economical and the v6 in my wifes vn goes like stink. also the small engine bay on the t makes the v6 a better choice
we had a big cruise here saturday night(ace ford club about 450 cars) andfuel is about $1.05 a litre so there were a lot of guys that didnt go because of fuel costs or only did part of the run.
just something else to think about
and remember that it is your car and your desicion
if one more person asks me why i'm not putting a v8 into the t i'll...........................

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Location: Queanbeyan, NSW (on the ACT border)

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2021 7:08 am    Post subject:

What you build and how you build it is a personal decision. Having said that, let's look at the REAL reason why you should use a common V8.

It's a tried and true method.

Heaps of Model As have been built with SBC, SB Ford and SB Mopar V8 engines. Holden V8, P76 V8, Caddy, Nailhead Buick, Hemi, Toyota Quad Cam, I've seen them all. You don't have to look far to find one. If you need advice, assistance and/or practical solutions, there are plenty of examples. Any rodder worth his/her time of day will describe, blow by blow, how they squeezed a 302 into a set of A rails. Aftermarket companies have row upon row of brackets, cross-members and shiny things to help your V8 in a Model A project.
Now please discard all other thoughts of a 4 cylinder powered rod.
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2021 8:01 am    Post subject:

OK....the room situation can be fixed with a bit of thought and an adaptor to adapt a Holden 6 cyl water pump to the 302. It gives you another 2 inches or so to play with. You may get away with just a small recess, if at all.. Consider moving the radiator a bit forward... I know that you want it on the road ASAP but you'll keep regretting that you didn't go the extra time to get the V8 to fit.IMHO
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Location: Lakes Entrance Victoria, Australia

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2021 10:55 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the replies,
Every body has confirmed what I was thinking.

Its just that I have had a patch of no progress and the rod fund is getting low and I have to spend wisely.

I have got the tubes to mount the 302 and gear box.

The Centura rear end I had sent up from the wreckers is a dud, it has 5 studs but a ford wheel don't fit on it, I have no idea what it is so I put that down as $170 worth of experience.

I'm saving up to get the 9 inch shortened, the rims and tyres and the rear coil overs. Once I get the wheels, tyres and the diff sorted, I will be able to get more done.
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2021 3:37 pm    Post subject: Centura Rear

My experience with a centura diff was that the falcon wheels will fit, just use late model rims wth the larger hole. Also you will need to go up in stud size. I just drilled the existing holes out to size and pressed new studs in. They are a good, strong, and very cheap rear. Mine cost $50 with LSD! For such a light rod there really is no need for a 9", and I had no problems with 400 horses in a Capri with that rear
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2021 12:05 am    Post subject:

just to confirm what Jason said, Centura's are 1/2 inch (holden) stud in a ford configuration so a quick drill 9/16 stud and a la ford pattern and the drum mounting flange is a poofteenth larger but most aftermarket wheels fit...centrelines, weld and US racers anyway . Last week I pulled my centura diff out all set up ford wheel wise and yes they're strong however a 9" is replacing mine ready for some 15x12s , Detroit etc. for the Street Meets
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2021 12:19 am    Post subject:

Sorry guys I forgot....... I DO NOT RECCOMMEND G & J Differentials, advertise in Street Machine for the 9" as I am now waiting for my 3rd diff.. 1. was 16mm to wide and could see daylight along the welded/cocky shit seems 2. was close although I asked for a centred housing (offset tailshaft)welds not much better......however they have accepted all their mistakes paying $130 freight each time after several colourful conversations........ Oh the joys living in Darwin.
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2021 3:09 pm    Post subject:

Spark wrote
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I'm having second thoughts about putting a 302 in my 31 closed cab pickup.

I was thinking maybe a Escort 2 ltr.



Mate you can always throw a cat amongst the pidgeons and fit a nice 13B Rotary, more grunt than a truck load of pigs and its small to boot
Really get them talking at the Rod runs icon_razz.gif

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fc ute
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2021 3:22 pm    Post subject:

there is a rotary powered track t over here and i think it was also the lowest overall hieght rod as well
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2021 3:47 pm    Post subject:

If you want to do something different with an A pickup I have this idea that's been rolling around in my head for some time now. It involves installing a WRX engine in the pickup bed. The bonnet could then be utilised as a boot with the firewall extended out to increase leg room. You could then get the mother to sit down real low with your arse just inches off the ground. Oh and a radical chop of course ( gun slit proportions ). It would handle like a cat on shag pile and would go like the proverbial. Note wouldn't be too bad either.
A friend of mine has one in a Porche replica ( the type James Dean killed himself in) and it's performance is very impressive. I've already had my tape measure over it and once all the dust settles over NSW rego I might start building.
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2021 1:41 pm    Post subject:

Spark
I think youve answered your own question here .
You already have the engine and box and youre on a tight budget to build it.
4 cyl ford 2 litre is a gutless engine unless its in a small light car, which is what its designed for, such as escort and cortina. You can get hot-up gear for them, even turbo charging is avail off the shelf, buy you WILL REGRET NOT USING THE V8 - even if it is a ford engine .
Another valid point is the re-sale value, you dont want to overcapitalize on your fun car, unless youve got a zillion bucks to build a show car, or to put an aeroplane engine into a chev, but thats another argument.
whatever you do, dont use a chook cooker
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2021 5:54 am    Post subject:

Jesus, I must be losing my touch icon_cry.gif icon_cry.gif

It took days to get a bite on the rotary comment

What it comes down to is, build what you can afford to build & what you can afford to run. Theres no point dropping a V8 in your rod if its gonna sit in the shed all the time cause you cant afford to run it. By the way , with a bit of head work, cam and extractors you can get a 2 litre cortie motor to go quite well.


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