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chris spokes
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2020 6:24 pm    Post subject: an email from vic roads

this was an email i got from vic roads when i asked about the new guidelines and full VIC reg


The VSB or code of practice (COP) is simply a recipe book for building a
street rod. It does not in itself convey any as of right access to
registration. In Victoria a vehicle conforming to the COP would be
eligible for restricted road use under VicRoads street rod permit scheme.
In other jurisdictions street rods (ie vehicles built to the COP) would be
dealt with according to that jurisdiction's policy. EG I understand in WA
they could be registered.

However for full reg in Victoria the usual rules apply and the vehicle
would require a VASS Approval Certificate. If it is a new chassis then it
is an individually constructed vehicle (ICV) not a modified production
vehicle (MPV). If it is an original chassis and a new body it would be a
redesigned production vehicle ( RPV) and only the body ADRs would apply -
again only if full reg was being sought.

For operation under street rod permit scheme please contact Con Mantzaris
of ASRF on 9793 6258

Gray Scott
Team Leader Vehicle Standards
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spark
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Location: Lakes Entrance Victoria, Australia

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2020 3:02 pm    Post subject:

Boy Iím getting sick of this roller coaster good / bad rego storyís.

My rod is a new chassis with an old (tin) body.

This rego crap is dinting my enthusiasm for building a rod big time!

30 closed cap pickup (steel)
RodTech built chassis using replacement rails (the same dimensions as original)
Pre 1970 302 Windsor

ICV?
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2020 7:39 pm    Post subject:

What the F#$K is going on with these guidelines??? I was under the impression that if they were accepted in a particular state, then a vehicle built to these guidelines would be accepted for FULL registration. In ACT the only requirement is you have an enginners cert. as well.

Am I wrong?

Chocco?

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GBS
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Location: Central Coast NSW

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2020 7:58 pm    Post subject:

I agree Spark, its getting beyond a joke. The latest news here in NSW is there could still be problems with repro chassis being accepted for full registration and rods may have to go through a full brake test which means repeated panic stops from freeway speeds.

The brake test might not be a bad idea but I wish they would make up their minds. I am starting to feel like buying an old Jap ute, fitting a polished wood back, a Lexus V8, dropped spindles, a custom interior and a little customising to the front sheet metal then driving off into the sunset leaving pre 48 rodding behind. At least a car like that would be rolling on a factory chassis with factory designed suspension, steering and brakes so it should not upset the rego authorities. I could even put a slide on camper onto it and do a little "grey nomading" which would suit me fine these days.

I have been involved with rodding for forty years but it is not the same anymore.

Brian
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bcal
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2020 9:22 pm    Post subject:

GBS wrote:
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The brake test might not be a bad idea but I wish they would make up their minds. I am starting to feel like buying an old Jap ute, fitting a polished wood back, a Lexus V8, dropped spindles, a custom interior and a little customising to the front sheet metal then driving off into the sunset leaving pre 48 rodding behind. At least a car like that would be rolling on a factory chassis with factory designed suspension, steering and brakes so it should not upset the rego authorities. I could even put a slide on camper onto it and do a little "grey nomading" which would suit me fine these days.

I have been involved with rodding for forty years but it is not the same anymore.

Brian


I share you're frustration Brian. I don't want to start building a car until either things sort themselves out or I move to another state.
The rolling chassis from a ute is not a bad idea but I would bolt a pre48 body to it.

I see us ending up with a kit car approach whereby certain manufacturers/fabricators do all the initial hard work proving their components and designs with the RTA and us mugs just picking what combination we want along with the paint color etc.
The backyard owner builder using whatever components he has at hand in a manner according to his tastes and imagination will find it very difficult to get thru all the red tape.

Still we're a pretty resilient and resourceful bunch of bastards.
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GBS
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2020 9:58 pm    Post subject:

Brett

If I put a pre 48 body onto it, as sure as can be they will find a problem with the seat belt mounts plus the seats themselves then the who knows what and it will be a case of here we go again.

Another thing they will probably hit us with soon is emissions from our old engines. Whenever this gets mentioned rodders usually point out that because they are such a small group they have no noticeable impact on the problem. We know the RTA has been reading rod magazines recently but I hope they donít see the July edition of Street Rodder. On page 16 there is a short story about the Rolling Smog Exemption laws in California. It said pre smog vehicles constitute only 1.6% of Californiaís highway miles but they account for about one quarter of all vehicle born emissions.

Oh well, there goes fifty years of big and small blocks. High tech double overhead electronic everything here we come.

Brian
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spark
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2020 10:24 pm    Post subject:

I also have thought about getting rid of what I got and going for 50s Chev or Ford (maybe a 53 one ton) getting it regoed and building from there.

Iím probly letting the rego thing get to me but Iím one of those blokes who likes to know were I stand.

My pickup would (or should) be able to pass any braking / handling test, after all it has new suspension (independent) brakes and steering components. I want a HOT ROD that is safe, one that I can get into drive any time it suits me, club rego no I donít think so.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2020 8:19 am    Post subject:

I don't understand what this panic brake test prooves. If the car passes a nnnormal test on the brake dyno (rollers), and the components of the system have been aproved by a qualified and accepted engineer (i.e all components in the system are up to the task in size and compatibility), then what is the problem?. If the brake test is done on rollers (as opposed to the little box on the floor, the examiner will know if one side pulls more than another, if there is fade, etc. This is getting beyond a joke.

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2020 8:53 am    Post subject:

JIMBOB wrote:
What the F#$K is going on with these guidelines??? I was under the impression that if they were accepted in a particular state, then a vehicle built to these guidelines would be accepted for FULL registration. In ACT the only requirement is you have an enginners cert. as well.

Am I wrong?

Chocco?

Cheers and beers
Jimbob


I have looked into the new guidlines in detail, I was convinced by one of the guys that helped to write them to rego my rod using them here in Canberra, It was brought to my attention by the rego office that they are after all "only guidlines" and it was up to the individual rego authority as to weather or not they would accept them. And if they did accept them, they could impliment any local rules that they deem fit to do so.


Here in Canberra that includes full covers over your exaust manifolds and huge ugly fenders on your tyres.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2020 9:12 am    Post subject:

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Here in Canberra that includes full covers over your exaust manifolds and huge ugly fenders on your tyres


Where is this documented? It has to be in writing for it to be enforced. I know of the mudguard requirements. What about the full coverage of headers?

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2020 12:11 pm    Post subject:

I start reading this, and then take a deep breath. In Victoria,there is a requirement for a Vass certificate for modifications,If I build to the guidelines,then the certificate should be a cinch.Armed with this certificate and a roadworthy,and the usual paperwork filled out correctly,I expect my rod to be registered.My intention, if refused,is to visit a solicitor get a letter printed ,and sent off to the relevent person in charge to give good reason why my vehicle should not be registered.Before the solicitor there is also the local member of parliament. DO NOT BE DETERRED,PRESS ON..............Frank.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2020 12:53 pm    Post subject:

JIMBOB wrote:

Where is this documented? It has to be in writing for it to be enforced. I know of the mudguard requirements. What about the full coverage of headers?


It is an old rule that they don't know where it is writen, but they insist on enforcing, I have been caught out three times now. They will not, or can not, produce the exact rule.

But due to recent public liability concerns, engineers have to look at "duty of care", and this includes full heat shields for all exposed exhausts.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2020 5:43 pm    Post subject:

Spark, I think you will find that chassis of yours is an original.
If you have a look at the pass side rail just in front of the cowl, you should find a number. I am sure that when you "find" that number
your rego will be easier.
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2020 1:20 am    Post subject:

FRANK BASILE wrote:
I start reading this, and then take a deep breath. In Victoria,there is a requirement for a Vass certificate for modifications,If I build to the guidelines,then the certificate should be a cinch.Armed with this certificate and a roadworthy,and the usual paperwork filled out correctly,I expect my rod to be registered.My intention, if refused,is to visit a solicitor get a letter printed ,and sent off to the relevent person in charge to give good reason why my vehicle should not be registered.Before the solicitor there is also the local member of parliament. DO NOT BE DETERRED,PRESS ON..............Frank.


This is EXACTLY what we need to do! For too many years, rodders have laid down and rolled over whenever the going got tough - if not for a handful of very pro-active rodders, we'd all be driving Honda Civics! If there are documented guidelines for building a rod, then build to the guidelines. If you get hassled, take your complaint to the Ombudsman first. That is, get a hearing at an Administrative Appeals Tribunal in your state. Far cheaper than a solicitor, and a solicitor doesn't have the powers of the AAT. Use a solicitor to sue the RTA for pain and suffering when the Ombudsman upholds your complaint. If we had done this a few times many years ago, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. It only takes a beauracracy to get a kick in the pants once or twice before they get the message. Those of you who won't take up the opportunity to enforce your democratic right to drive the car of your choice should bow out of the hobby altogether.
I have had more than a little success in this endeavour - you just have to have rock solid determination!
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2020 8:57 am    Post subject:

Well said Chocco.

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