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choco
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2020 7:01 am    Post subject: Latest on National Rego - RTA Meeting in Canberra

I spoke to Alan Cooper yesterday (Sunday15th) and he informs me that the meeting of RTA heads in Canberra has gone VERY WELL for the ASRF National Rego Scheme submission. It is expected that all states will sign off on this document very soon now, if they haven't already done so. NSW is expected to sign off as well, although they may not do so until they have done a bit of a song and dance.
I have asked Alan to give me a run down on the whole situation once the document is official, and I'll post his response here.
The bottom line is that it's all good news for rodding in Australia!
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2020 7:47 am    Post subject:

fantastic news choco. Sounds like the biggest pain the arse re rodding is about to be made shiteloads easier. *woohoo*
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2020 8:30 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the update Choco.....thats good news

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2020 10:27 pm    Post subject:

Thanx Choco.....I for one will be waitin' for your next post re this issue with bated breath. I gotta lotta moolah tied up in my ride and have been sweatin' the outcome o' this meeting !!

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Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2020 2:26 pm    Post subject:

As soon as I hear anything, I'll post it here. Don't expect any news until early in the new year. The public service comes to a grinding halt about this time. If they were rodders, the work would be done in the middle of the night so that they could be under way at 6AM the next morning!
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2021 9:18 pm    Post subject: Any news yet

Hi there Choco

Hope nothing important got toasted with all those bushfires down there.

Have you heard any news on the National Rego Scheme and the progress with the NSW RTA?
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2021 7:51 am    Post subject:

I had a brief word with Alan Cooper during the CRAKK run, and all is on track, with NSW probably coming to the party. Public servants like to take looooong Xmas breaks, so they probably won't be signing off until this week or next week. It's still looking OK, rest assured, it just takes these people a little time to warm up. As soon as something official is relayed to me, I'll let you know. I know Larry has a full report to be published in ASR magazine, but is holding on to it until it's official.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2021 7:27 am    Post subject:

Well, it appears that the public service disease has infected key players from the SA and Qld RTA. At last night's CHRA meeting, the ACT State Director reported that SA and Qld RTA (who had already signed off on the proposal) had "second thoughts" on the fender rules. For those of you who may not know, in SA (and in Qld, I assume) the rules for front fenders (cycle fenders) are that you must not see any rubber when looking directly down on the wheel from above. Take a look at any SA T Buckets or Hi Boys to see what I mean. Man, some of those fenders are roooooly ugly! However, it's a small sticking point, but one that we shouldn't give an inch on. Everywhere else IN THE WORLD a sensible fender law applies without resorting to the ridiculous fenders I have seen in SA. In some circumstances, especially the "trad" type hi boys, 36 Ford spare wheel covers work fine and comply with the rule. But T Buckets and 70's onwards type hi boys should only be required to provide fenders that adequately cover the rear quadrant of the wheel to prevent stones flicking up. Anyway, all this was drafted up and accepted late last year by all TACs and RTA reps, but in typical chair-warmer, pasty-brained, public-fascist fashion, they want to change the rules as they go along.
This kind of procrastination and back-flipping shits me no end. I have seen it again and again, because there is this culture among the RTAs and Police throughout this country that modified cars are B-A-D, and, ipso-facto, so are the enthusiasts. We get treated with contempt, despite the high community profile that our representatives carry.
In addition, it appears that NSW RTA are becoming even more hostile than ever. In one breath, their representative appears to be coming to his senses and agreeing to go with the majority, then, in a backflip that would make Jake Blues proud, continues in his rhetoric to clean all NSW streets of modified cars.
I tell ya, people, I've had just about enough of this crap! The time is coming when there will be a revolution. All Hot Rodders should go to their windows, raise them high and sing out to the rest of this country, "I've had enough, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

End of rant.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2021 7:49 pm    Post subject: So what now?


Choco

I've been watching the site waiting for a response on this topic, thank you for the information.

Just as frustrated as you, however, not predisposed to yelling out of my windows.

Is there anything constructive that us mere mortals can do to assist the cause?

As I see it, as a potential newcomer to rodding, there is probably not a great deal of "larger community" support for, "the cause". This should not however stop "us" attempting to gain as much public focus on the restrictions that the government are trying to impose on our freedom of choice.

Are the clubs organised in terms of media representation? Do they have a lobbyist working for them in Canberra or anywhere else for that matter? Is someone trying to get those crappy TV shows like ACA and TT to run stories that, correctly sold, can summon up some emotion in the usually apathetic general public?
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2021 7:50 am    Post subject:

It's been a problem within our hobby for many years, and I remember the days when it was actually worse. In those days, at least, you knew where you stood, and the only people you had to address were the police. Sometimes you won, somethimes you lost. These days, however, the "system" is working against all of us, and we, as rodders, are our own worst enemies in many cases.
Take, f'rinstance, the NSW situation.
Unlike other states, NSW does not have an ASRF TAC. What constitutes the "TAC" in NSW is the Street Rod Committee. They have had a limited Street Rod registration scheme for many years, and that is their only focus. However, the option for full rego, via normal registration channels, is one that is taken up by a vast number of NSW rodders. Provided you have an engineering certificate, you're going to get rego, albeit with a few silly rules. Now that the RTA is being very hostile to modified cars being registered in NSW, the TAC (as such) are not interested unless it affects the Street Rod rego scheme. The RTA have demanded an audit of the SRC cars on their books, and that is all but complete. The RTA now have documentation which they can use if any Street Rod Rego car is pulled over.
Fair enough, I suppose.
But all this is at the expense of full rego, because no one is representing this end of the market from our perspective. Therefore, it's vitally important that the National Rego scheme get through. The federal law in this country has already been tested a few times, myself included, and if a Hot Rod can be registered legally in one state, it can be legally registered in another.
What I believe we need is a "fighting fund" to fight the unfair acts of administration in states that won't reasonably register a hot rod that has complied with the basic requirements of safety, noise and emissions. We hear about these things again and again, but all we do is find a way around it. Some examples are the requirements for "demisters" in Hot Rods in NSW. What a joke! A piece of plastic tube and a 12Volt hair dryer will get you through. I say we should force the RTA to recognise how useless and stupid this is and remove this requirement for anything other than an ICV.
How about bonnets in South Australia? Don't get me started on THAT one! I fought the system there a few years ago and won, but you can bet they closed the door on anyone else registering a T Bucket or Hi Boy without a bonnet.
If you look at the way Rod Hadfield approached rego, you can see where there is a way to get what you want, not by hedging your bets, but by confronting the system head on. We live in a democracy, and we have the right to drive the car of our choice. We build our cars safely and we drive them safely. We are not a threat to the community, nor are we a threat to the motor industry, in fact, we contribute a great deal to our communities in so many ways. Yet we are persecuted, day by day, by the faceless authorities in our respective RTAs and, to a lesser extent, the Police, who can only work under the direction of the RTA.
We need more successful court battles - we have access to the Ombudsman and the Administrative Appeals Tribunals in all states to address unfair legislation/administration. Winning just one of these cases does more to shake up the administration than anything you could possible throw at them. If one of us is caught "abusing" the system, however, it adds strength to their resolve to get us off the road. The culture within the various departments that affect us is one that sees us as a thorn in the general public's side. Regardless of our impeccable track record, they do not see why all members of the driving public shouldn't drive Hondas.
But it all gets back to the same problem - APATHY!
"I'm Alright Jack" is the catch phrase in our Hot Rodding society. We have a national body that represents us, yet we delight in taking them down a peg every opportunity we get. Most states have their own systems that are running well, yet all states, at some stage, have had to battle the authorities to get to where they are, and now that they have a decent system up an running, the rodders all sit back and relax, not caring a tinker's cuss for their fellow rodders across the border. Then it comes back to bite them on the arse when they move interstate, or the head of the RTA resigns and some arsehole steps in, or the local greenies host a campaign against "those hot rod things". In addition, each state has a few "silly rules" or unexplainable limitations that restrict individuality. Take WA for instance. Their system is probably one of the best, yet they can't run a blower or a bigger engine than a 350 cube (correct me if I'm wrong here). In SA, you are also limited to 350 cubes, you have to have a stupid bonnet and those "fenders". If you want to run a blower in SA, you have to show that adding the blower does not increase the horsepower of the engine! And you have to do a "lane change" test! Mike Davidson had to do this in his flathead powered T roadster because it ran a blower. In the ACT, they make the rules up as they go along. Just the other day, a friend bought a Model A Tourer from NSW, fully registered engineered, and took it through rego. It was 10mm too low!
10 MILLIMETRES!
And they base that on the height of the ridge of their pit where they inspect the car!
The guy went home, pumped the tyres up real hard, and got through.
This is the kind of thing I get heated about, because it's UNREASONABLE and does not address safety. All their silly rules are there for are to INHIBIT our ability to get rego. They are not interested in safety, they are only interested in keeping us off the road and making it as difficult as possible to get rego.
This has got to stop, and it can only stop if we all pull together.
Sorry about the rant.
Well, no, I'm not sorry, it just bugs me. I hope you understand. Y'see, I'm coming close to finishing my own rod, and I live in NSW, right on the ACT border. Yes, I have my own fish to fry, and I'm motivated to get a fairer system, but I have also been very pro-active in many states besides NSW.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2021 11:19 am    Post subject: NSW RTA

Just to add an an outsiders view...

I am trying to get a Lotus 7 replica through the RTA as an ICV at the moment, and several Cobra replicas are also stuck in process.

A few of us have contacted our local state government members to get things moving past a certain RTA officer. It appears that only a few engineering signatories are affected as others are able to get cars through within a couple of days.

If you are having problems, I urge you to make contact with your local member and ask them to make representations on your behalf to the Minister and the RTA. A consolidated approach is bound to be more effective than doing nothing.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2021 12:24 pm    Post subject:

The fact that the NSW SRC is not a ASRF body (or sub-committee) is not the issue. They do have an agreement to act as the TAC for the NSW division. The cooperation between these committees has always been strong. The fact is, the NSW SRC predates the ASRF, and it's constitution (endorsed at public meetings) enables it to represent all owners of pre-48 street rods, regardless of their association affiliations. This is a strength.

As far as not being interested in full registration; that is not correct. There have been three major battles for full registration in NSW; the NSW SRC speerheaded all three, and won, on behalf of all NSW rodders. I was personally heavily invloved in the battle in the early eighties, and I can tell you it was tough. Graham Robinson lead the battle 10 years later and did an exceptional job. Both Graham and I spent an enormous amount of our personal time on these fights. We were however, just part of the NSW SRC team effort. BTW neither of us are currently on the Committee, but we are still very supportive of it's role, function and value to NSW rodders.

I can understand the current frustration, but we should be supporting these people, not trying to drag them down. The current priority of the NSW SRC appears to be on the permit scheme. This is understandable, given the current crisis, and their limited (volunteer) resources. I don't believe it is fair to say that they are not interested in full rego. The real downfall seems to be poor communication through the ASRF system, and newletter. I agree that apathy is, and always has been, a major problem with the rodding membership.

The RTA has always been difficult to deal with, but it is possible as we have proven on three previous occasions. The modified production system has served NSW rodders well for over 20 years, it is now time to negotiate a some improvements, and concessions, to reflect the current situation.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2021 12:56 pm    Post subject:

Popey, you are right, of course, and I apologise if my rant came across as being critical of the SRC in any way, because that was not my intention. I meant to shift the focus to the apathy, and to point out that the SRC can only do so much and they have their hands full with limited rego. Seeing as how NSW has the largest population of rodders, it stands to reason that they should have a larger pool of resources from which leaders of the rodding community could select quality supporters. My assumption that the SRC was not interested in supporting rodders after full rego was out of line and uninformed. I apologise.
I have argued for many years that the communication channels are inadequate for our needs and something needs to be done about it. Forums such as this are a great outlet, but we need to stretch it a bit further.
Again, my apologies for the misconception, I have always considered the SRC to be a committed group with much to offer the rodders of NSW.
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